Sunday, June 8, 2008
If the information for Ralph Lee and Mary in new.family search and the IGI is accurate and in a good location, it could be correct. The ages are good.
The problem is: Are the dates of the parents made up to match Ralph (Jr.'s) age or are they the actual real data? The information needs to be sourced. Even I am guilty of not sourcing in the John D. Lee's Ancestry blog! But I am working on posting why I think the information there is accurate. If you read the rest of the blogs you can see where the information came from and even scans of some of the original documents.
If the Ralph and Mary are the ones I am thinking of, they were found by my grandmother in the late 1960's. She was so excited! But I believe that when my mom and I checked it out Ralph and Mary were a generation older. I don't have good documentation for all of this. My mom was working on the Lees while I was working on the Smiths.
The Ralph Lees that I have in my PAF file from our research are: 1) Ralph Lee b. abt. 1735, died after 1810. I have him as a son of William Lee and Hannah. He was in Bucks County, Pennsylvania. We have children for him. This is info from my mom so I don't have real good sources on it. 2) Ralph Lee b. about 1685, also a son of a William Lee who also had a wife named Hannah! We figured he was not the son of Hannah, but of William's first (unknown) wife. This Ralph had two wives named Mary, the first (possibly Atkinson), the second Mary King, and a third wife named Sybella. I believe this is the one that is erroneously put as Ralph Lee's father. The temple work on this one was done pre 1970, so I think it was my grandmother who submitted it. Many of this Ralph Lee's records are found in Christ Church of Philadelphia records and History of Bucks County, PA. This Ralph is the half brother to the William Lee who is the father of the first Ralph.
There is another Ralph Lee who married a Mary. Again, this could be the one my grandmother discovered. This Ralph's information is based upon a query by Norma Griffith. This Ralph and Mary were supposed to have died in Baltimore in1783, before the end of the Revolutionary War. Ralph was supposed to have a brother whose name was unknown and Norma Griffith was looking for information on this family. This was the only reference we found about this family.
The Ralph and Mary thing needs to be looked into and either verified or discarded. If it is info my grandmother found, she is long since gone (my mom is 91!) and she won't be able to give us the source, although I do have some old letters and cards she sent me while she was searching that might give some clues.
Wednesday, June 4, 2008
1st Gen: John Doyle Lee birth:. 6 Sept 1812 Kaskaskia,
Death: 23 March 1877 Mountain Meadows,
2nd Gen: John Doyle Lee's parents are:
birth: 1768 (if he was a carpenter apprentice in
m. 26 February 1811
Ralph Lee’s death date and place are unknown
and Elizabeth Doyle (NOT Sarah Elizabeth Doyle. See March blog “Ralph Lee married Elizabeth Doyle Reed.”)
born. abt. 1785 in
Previous information for her birthplace has been given as
3rd Gen: Ralph Lee's parents are unknown. We are currently trying to get DNA samples from possible relatives to figure where to go next!
Elizabeth Doyle's parents are
b. 20 Sept 1760
m. abt. 1782 probably in
If it were earlier it would have been at
d. October 1819
His son-in-law, James Conner said he died about 29 October, (see deposition in March blog “John Doyle of
and Chloe Smith
b. abt. 1766;
(NOT Evaline. See March blog “John Doyle of
The reason I have her born in 1766: In her father’s will, although she is listed as being married, she is listed with the younger unmmarried daughter, receiving like inheritance rather than with the two other daughters who are also married. Her parents were married in 1761. With children two years apart the earliest she could be born is 1766 if she is the third child. At that rate she would be 16 when she got married.
Death after 1794 place unknown. Her daughter, Charlotte, was probably born about 1794. If Chloe died between 1789 and 1796 she didn’t die in
Censuses showing when
CENSUS: 1850 Census:
Estimated birth year: abt 1795
4th Gen: John Doyle's parents are
Dennis Doyle, Jr.
b. 1732, (tombstone) (See April blog “John Doyle Ancestry”) place unknown, but between
d. 30 June 1795 (tombstone) (See April blog “John Doyle Ancestry”)
and Katherine last name unknown
b. abt. 1732; (tombstone) (See April blog “John Doyle Ancestry”)
d. 25 October 1794. (tombstone) (See April blog “John Doyle Ancestry”)
Chloe Smith's parents are
b. between 1734 and 1736;
In April of 1755 Henry is NOT 21. His step-father is joint in court cases until this time.
I put 1734. He may have forgotten or wanted to be a little younger in the court case. He was 15 to 20 years older than the rest of the people concerned in the case.
m. 26 May 1761
d. between 19 August 1789 and 15 Sept 1789. Killed by Indians place unknown. Will probated in
and Mary Burks b. abt 1740
She did not need consent when she got married in 1761.
d. 1781. (See Mary’s death segment in May blog “Henry Smith’s marriages: 1) Mary Burks/Birks, 2) Margaret widow of Gideon Garrett”)
5th Gen: Dennis Doyle, Jr's parents are
Dennis Doyle, Sr
b. abt 1700 in
m. 9 December 1731
d. abt 1760
and Elizabeth Cunningham.
This information is from the late Stella Shamo of Hurricane, UT. Her presentation at our family reunion is included in my April blogs “John Doyle and John Dyal and Revolutionary Records” and “John Doyle Ancestry.”
Katherine's parents are unknown but she and her husband are buried in the
Henry Smith's parents are
b. abt. 1710; place unknown (estimated from Henry’s birth)
m. abt. 1733; place unknown (estimated from Henry’s birth)
d. May 1746 Lunenburg County, Virginia (probate court records)
b. abt 1714. (estimated)
Anne married William Hays/Hayes after
Mary Burks parents are probably
Samuel Burks, Jr.
b. abt 1704;
m. abt. 1725;
d. 1753 Albemarle County, Virginia (probate records)
b. abt. 1709.
Mary and her sister
6th Gen: Dennis Doyle's parents in
Elizabeth Cunningham's father is John Kunningham. (Information from Stella Shamo – see above.)
Samuel Burks, Jr.'s parents are
Samuel Burks, Sr.
b. abt. 1680;
m. abt. 1703;
d. bef. 12 Feb1756 Saint Anne's Parish, Albemarle, Virginia, (probate records)
and Mary Davis
b. abt. 1685; d. 1770.
7th Gen: * The parents of Mary Davis are
b. abt 1650;
m. abt 1680
and Elizabeth Hughes
b. abt 1654.
8th Gen: The parents of Nathaniel Davis were
an unknown son of 9th Gen: William Davis and Elizabeth Jonathan.
The parents of Elizabeth Hughes were
a "trader" Hughes, possibly Rice or Rees
m. abt 1650
and an Indian maiden, Nicketti.
9th Gen: There is controversy as to who Nicketti's father was, but Davises say that he was a Cayuga Chieftan and
her mother was Cleopatra (her Anglicized name), half sister of
* The lineage from Mary Davis (7th Gen) back has not been proven. The information is from the Davis family tradition.